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he heard from any democrat, president, senator reid, nancy pelosi, anybody in about a month in terms of talking about the fiscal cliff. so everyone has sort of delayed really facing all of th up against the deadline now, jon. jon: that seems clear. ed henry at the white house there. ed, thank you. stay on it for us. for more on this let's bring in the editor of "campaigns & elections" magazine, shane deapril. campaigns and elections might be appropriate here because some say there is a lot of political posturing going on. you have said the feeling in washington it might actually be better to go over the cliff and come back and negotiate. why? >> yeah. now, this is of course purely political campaign calculation here, tossing aside the nation's fiscal health frankly. for both side i think there is good argument to be made for congressional leaders, democratic leaders and republican leaders in particular, there may be less political risk here actually if we do go over the cliff and figure out a solution very quickly afterwards. if you go back to what happened with plan b, speaker boehn
minutes from now, any moment, they're starting to arrive, we have boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, reid. they're on capitol hill. what can president obama offer that both sides can agree to. >> unfortunately for individual members of the republican house it is to their interest to let tax increases go into effect. that way they won't be viewed as having raised taxes. they can come in and easier to negotiate with them. what the president, what we are hearing about what the president is proposing though, is a small deal to get them through the fiscal cliff so that it avoids some of the implications, some of the more damaging implications for the economy. i don't think the fiscal cliff honestly is really going to have a huge impact. our housing market and labor market remained firm and i think they can survive this. but i do think that though, that if the president does offer this smaller deal i think there's opportunity here, though it is probably slim. heather: that smaller deal, or that plan-c as the president has called it, i guess last friday or we're calling it now plan-c, david, it really
's point, look, democrats have their own up issues internally. nancy pelosi leader democrats in the house and harry reid, leader of senate democrats essentially saying entitlements are off the table when we know entitlements are the biggest drivers of debt. gregg: there may be a reason for that. marjorie, senator john barosso chairman of the republican policy committee put his finger on it. he believes the president is eager to go over the cliff for political reasons because he senses victory at the bottom of the cliff. those are his words verbatim and, you know, then the president gets to punish republicans. and he also might get more money in a for taxpayers, from taxpayers to expand the government. what about that? >> well i have a really hard time believing anybody, republicans or democrats would win from going over the cliff. talking about potentially putting country in recession, what it would do to the markets. here's the deal. these type of negotiations what we lost a $4 trillion opportunity when boehner and obama were at the table having talks prior to the holiday. what we're loo
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